Trial Tested

S9E7: The Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, Part Two: Digging Deep, Narrowing Complexity, and Effecting Change with Jamal Alsaffar

In part two of this interview, Jamal Alsaffar discusses the challenges and trial strategies involved in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Alsaffar highlights the importance of empathy, sharing how he creatively used the courtroom's layout to help the judge and others grasp the trauma experienced by the victims. He recounts the discovery of crucial evidence, including handwritten notes revealing the shooter's extensive history of violent crimes and failed attempts to access military bases after discharge, arguing that the military’s negligence in reporting the shooter’s criminal history contributed to the tragedy. Alsaffar emphasizes the vital role of trial law in effecting change.

S9E6: The Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, Part One: Trust, Accountability, and Seeing the Bigger Picture with Jamal Alsaffar

In part one of this interview, trial attorney Jamal Alsaffar discusses his involvement in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Pursuing the case under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA), Alsaffar revealed a systemic failure by the Air Force and other military branches to report criminal records to the FBI’s background check system, which enabled the Sutherland Springs shooter to legally purchase firearms. Alsaffar highlights the importance of honesty with clients while detailing the significant legal hurdles the case faced, including opposition from the Department of Justice and the gun industry. Through collaboration with other lawyers and contributions to related cases, his efforts led to systemic changes in military reporting procedures, underscoring the critical role of trials in achieving justice and enforcing accountability.

 

S9E5: Cybersecurity, Civics and Civil Discourse: Defending Democracy with Suzanne Spaulding

An attorney by education, Suzanne Spaulding has spent most of her career in public service, providing her expertise on cybersecurity and infrastructure to the United States Department of Homeland Security, the CIA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, and more. Spaulding joins host Vince Citro for an in-depth discussion about democracy, the strategic advantages of transparency, and how misinformation and a lack of civics education has contributed to the erosion of civil discourse.

 

S9E4: Stay the Course: Wisdom and Counsel from Criminal Defense Attorney Dick DeGuerin

Criminal defense attorney Dick DeGuerin has defended members of Congress, judges, cult leaders and everyone in between. In this episode, DeGuerin joins host Vince Citro and reveals how he came to represent David Koresh and what transpired in Waco, Texas that fateful April of 1993. He also discusses how he avoided becoming labeled a “cult lawyer” through his high-profile representation of public figures such as U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. Listen in as DeGuerin shares valuable advice for young attorneys and underscores the importance of giving back.

 

S9E3: Deepfakes and Hallucinations: AI, Evidence, and the Law with Professor Maura R. Grossman

Join host Terri Mascherin as she discusses generative artificial intelligence and its impact on trial law with Professor Maura R. Grossman, an expert in the field. Using recent examples, Professor Grossman explains why this rapidly evolving technology can’t be ignored, how to understand its usefulness and how to prevent misuse and “deepfake defense” In the courtroom.

 

S9E2: Susan Harriman on Speaking Up and Having Fun, Inside the Courtroom and Out

Join host Amy Gunn as she talks with ACTL Past President Susan Harriman about family, career, and her involvement with the College. Harriman recounts how a chance conversation with a stranger on a train led her to apply to law school after her service as a Peace Corps volunteer. She discusses her role in helping grow a firm from 10 to more than 120 attorneys, addressing the unique decisions and challenges facing women attorneys. Harriman shares her love of teaching while reflecting on her experiences with juries, opposing counsel and lessons learned from some of her most significant cases, including her defense of Electronic Arts.

S9E1: Learning by Doing: From AUSA to the West Wing with Secretary Jeh Johnson

From discovering his motivation as a student at Morehouse College to walking the halls of the West Wing, former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson joins host Dave Thomas to recount his accomplished career. Secretary Johnson shares his experiences in public service, highlighting high-profile matters such as the repeal of the military policy “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” while emphasizing the complexities and challenges of balancing civil liberties with security measures. You’ll hear how his experience as an Assistant U.S. Attorney helped shape his approach as a public servant, which in turn influenced his leadership style upon returning to private practice, where he is now back to trying cases today.

Special Juneteenth Episode: “Slavery by Another Name” with Professor Douglas Blackmon

In this special Juneteenth episode, Professor Douglas Blackmon joins host Dave Thomas to delve into what drove Blackmon to write his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, "Slavery by Another Name," which details the manipulation of the criminal justice system to terrorize and inflict forced labor onto African American men in the South after the Civil War. Blackmon discusses how World War II catalyzed the dismantling of such practices while acknowledging the ongoing issue of mass incarceration and current societal disparities.

 

The Importance of Humor, Civility and Staying Focused on the Legal Issues with Jeff Leon

Past President of the College Jeff Leon joins host Dave Thomas to discuss his career as a leading Canadian litigator. He reflects on his role as co-lead counsel to the Public Order Emergency Commission following the Freedom Convoy protests, highlighting the challenges and importance of addressing issues regarding freedom of expression. Reflecting on notable cases, such as the sale of the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey team, Leon stresses the significance of focusing on the legal issues at hand, mentoring young lawyers, and promoting civility within the legal profession.

 

“Because You’re a Girl” – Jill Wine-Banks on Sexism and Serving as the Youngest Watergate Prosecutor

In this episode of Trial Tested, former Watergate prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks recounts her early career and the challenges she faced as a female lawyer, first in the Department of Justice's organized crime division and then as the youngest Watergate prosecutor. Wine-Banks joins host Terri Mascherin to discuss the obstacles faced by the Watergate prosecution team, including the infamous "Saturday Night Massacre" and the discovery of an 18-and-a-half-minute gap in the Watergate tapes. She discusses the parallels between the Watergate era and the contemporary erosion of democratic norms, reflecting on how her experiences during Watergate helped shape her views on current legal and political challenges.